........oh and by the way,in case anybody cares,I just sent Susan an e-mail.....here's the copy: Dear Susan, Just got a copy of "Real World Bryce 4" and after reading it,I would have to agree with many others,that this is the way a computer manual should be written. Since Bryce and Poser 4 is the perfect marriage,my obvious question is: Will at any time in the near future be a work called "Real World Poser 4"?