Thanks Geep. 8-) I don't want to insult anybody. There are some good tutorials at daz, but there are SOOOO many more that are so badly written, it's just... sad. which is why i said, and will say again, it seems more and more that the tutorials there are written by any and everybody just to get the 25 bucks. When I'm looking for tutorials on how to learn something, learning the short cuts can be nice. but that's not really learning how a feature or room works. I'd much rather read a badly written tutorial that teaches how to make something from scratch, than I would a perfectly written tutorial on how to "borrow" a file and modify it to make another file. That's not learning how to make the file. so to read badly written tutorials on how to borrow files to make other files, grrr. that just irks me even more. E.D.