Guitta, When I first started out using Vue your web site was so extremely helpful to me that, had I not found it, I don't think I would have continued with the program, which I have now used so long it seems like a part of me! While this is not probably so important at this stage of your life, I want dearly to have you know how effective your efforts at sharing your knowledge and experience have been with the myriad of users who tried to follow your brilliant lead and that you are truly held in very high regard by people you have never met. I want to personally say: Thank you, Guitta! Godspeed! Larry F(uller) on Renderosity