You could argue that as Bryce is a 'budget' product it stands to reason that users are budget concious (ss) too. We have seen pay-for products do well here. HMS Victory being a case in point - although I don't know how many peps bought it. The thing is, as AS said, it has to be a 'kick-ass' product to make us want to shell-out the sheckles! Lyrra may not have noticed that somewhere in this forum is a thread for peps who would like to have something made by the 'experts',(http://www.renderosity.com/messages.ez?ForumID=107&Form.ShowMessage=1801272) My point being that if you are desperate here, help is always at hand. And if Zhann isn't an expert - I'm a brain surgeon!

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All the Woes of a World by Jonathan Icknield aka The Bryster

And in my final hours - I would cling rather to the tattooed hand of kindness - than the unblemished hand of hate...