heres a low poly wire of a glove for Vic 3, the bottom pic is the transparent sub selection mode in Amapi7 the top pic is the solid unsmoothed wire. it currently stands at 288 polys unsmoothed. Valandar is correct it is a bit tedious but it isnt particularly difficult to make. i only used 3 sweeps for the fingers , but i'll add the extra cuts with the slice tool later. stu