Heh! You guys should be on a series of national debates! This is like the U.S. Presidential Campaign... the reason I spend most of my time in the happy world of rendering stuff rather than the theoretical merits of higher-end software. The ORIGINAL point of my thread was about the POSER MARKET that Vue is tapping into. ALL these other programs DO NOT read in Pze or Pzz files- Vue 5 is EASY. Vue 5's HDRI doesn't have a million control panel adjustments. It's EASY to use. This seems to UPSET techies to NO END! Why is it EASY? Why does Vue make loading Poser files EASY? 3D is NOT supposed to FUN and EASY (they say). This is mainly about tapping into the Poser market with EASY, relatively inexpensive software--- NOT about making Hollywood movies or spending big bucks on lots of software. I own MAX 4 and Lightwave 6.5 and hardly ever use them! I can afford any software that I want-- but I like having FUN, but I also know how to make $$$ using Vue 5 too. You do NOT need expensive software if you know what your doing in a specific market. EXPENSIVE and COMPLICATED software is not REQUIRED to have fun and make money. Heh! (I know already).