Actually you are wrong Jarek. Yes Poser does have a future and yes it does need work. Suppose this Dunga guy was a jerk to some of the utility builders in the past. It only makes sense that they would not want to be on his page. After all they can post link and site info themseleves. No help is needed but it is sometimes appreciated. Rules are rules and if one cannot abide by the requests of the creator then they should have no right to use or distribute JanP