I have the FVCS, it's a new thing, and not bad. But the ships it makes are all small, and not necessarily far future kinds of things. Don't get me wrong, not denegrating John's free stuff, or anyone else's for that matter. Actually many of the free stuff ships are for non-commercial use, so they're out anyway. I'm also not asking for anything for free. I'm willing to pay, that's for sure. Anyway, this is getting off topic. I really shouldn't have brought it up, and I apologize for raining on John's parade. I have his helicopter meshes and they are truly works of art. Please carry on!! Jeff