HDRI is a subset of IBL, pjanak. Khai, TOS doesn't stop you -- it just means you have to be more creative is all. Veritas, I'm going to say it one more tme. Then I'll get ugly. This is a Poser Forum. It is NOT the Vue forum. Based on your posts of late, it appears you have no reason to use Poser at all, so why do you continue? Let's look at a certain Truth that's out there: The cost of the programs to which ProPack exports is high, and Propack exports what are now very old and feature poor versions. Essentially, yeah, ProPack can export stuff -- but it's an almost obsolete format for both of those you have noted. And neither of those applications suppot cloth dynamics and strand based hair within the base program for under 200 bucks. hmmm -- come to think of it, neither does Vue... (note: I like Veritas, and I like Vue. I'm just upset that he's not posting in the proper forum and appears to be trolling about intentionally)

thou and I, my friend, can, in the most flunkey world, make, each of us, one non-flunkey, one hero, if we like: that will be two heroes to begin with. (Carlyle)