I use Poser every day. Some of those out there have a very CLOSED-MINDED idea of creativity and are against anyone presenting any sort of alternative to the Proscribed Party Line that certain people are attempting to ENFORCE by means of intimidation and bigotry. Go look up INTIMIDATION and BIGOTRY and you will see that certain people are using their tactics to enforce their police-state views on who can say What about Using Poser. Poser Pro-Pack is a product of Curious labs. It has features P5 doses NOT have. Pro-Pack is still an EXCELLENT program- I use it on Windows XP. Certain people are trying to enforce a Police State mindset at the Poser Forum that the Poser Forum is only about P5. It's NOT. Just because prople use Poser 4, or Pro-Pack, does NOT make them second class citizens here! Curious Labs made Pro-Pack for the OBVIOUS reason that people wanted to import their projects into Lightwave or MAX, or other programs. But, according to certain people here, that is HERECTICAL and ONLY POSER must be used or discussed. Curious Labs has a very friendly relationship with E-on software, makers of Vue. Vue imports Pz3 and Pzz files DIRECTLY- Further it imports Poser 5 dynamic hair and cloth. People are currently working on importing nearly all Poser 5 materials- since Vue 5 can handle them. So certain people need to stop being closed minded anti-creative thinking, anti-progressive fascist bigots...