Personally I have zero objections to nn occasional mention of a non poser program. This includes the occasional render too.. Like if this thread was soley about lighting, if someone showed up with a comparison post and wanted to show how much better certain app does things than poser. Then thast is no proble, THis forum is not a curiouslab foru, Therefore, to strictly limit things to the slight mention of another app is very much the wrong way top go about things. Now if the forum was totally littered with non poser related posts then thats different. To prevent even the slightest mention of a competeing app is only what many software manufacturers do. Not peer forums. Anyway, there is a much better way to import poser stuff into MAX now. Some program by a guy named Reiss. It in the Curiouslabs store. Pete Pete