You like Vue/ProPack - Elle likes Poser5 - I'm still more comfortable with Poser 4 but I'm getting better with P5 thanks to that ynsaen chick that's always running around here. Not sure what the problem is... maxx - you really should put a keyboard alert in the subject when you post pics like that, just spit tea all over my keyboard again! sighs lol BTW - can I steal that one for future use? Would go good with the clue fairy on my hard drive...