I'm not taking peoples finished artwork and selling it. I am substantially changing the combonation of I's and O's. I know perfectly well that taking an object i get for free and selling the file is beyond wrong. But the argument is whether the render of an object is the same as the file of an object. I'm curious as to how fasttraxx figures that coyrights automatically come into creation with the stating of its existence. I can't imagine how he could be right, but if he is i suppose that blows radarts argument. On a side note> Where is this pay site. (If pettyness prevents you from exposing this information, I will understand) Well, on behalf of all of you i will let the argument rest, and as things so often happen in this PC society. I will keep my opinions to my self, refrain from further stating my opinion, and in the future, i will do my very best to conform to that of the majority. I apologise if i have upset, offended, or hurt anyone. I now see that even the complaint and debate forum has been corrupted by the majority. I am sorry for my opinion, please don't hold it against me. I will no longer post replys on this issue.