Well there is nothing wrong with pointing out Posers faults and how much it pains you. For instance, as much as I like Poser, its awful for some purposes. Like animating. I've never had diffriculty animating in other app. Just poser. I cant think of all the others it has because its been a while since I used it. But I still buy the releases, and P5 is the best one so far. I have to give it a chance before I trash it completely. But I can see that nothing has changed really as far as the animation tools. POser has been able to import 3ds OBJECTS as well as export them. But a poser scene was never able to be imported into MAX until the Propack or a plugin that came just before Propack if I recall. Maybe it came after. Anyway, now there is another 3rd party import tool as mentioned at the Curiouslabs site. Says it supports,translating of Poser materials, poser lights, and other things to MAX Pete