quote cynlee: as for my own & other's "cut & paste photo collages", they stay as well as manips, tell me i have double standards, but i got to draw a line somewhere & try to keep this a happy place :D Or did someone tell you to draw a line??? ..... and YES perfect example of double standart..... as earlier stated with a BIGBIG sorry for great artists like you.... as soon as one is composing on a 2D plane it is 2D art.... ALL collages are 2D art...or ALL collages with self made shots are photography.... not that it personally bothers me. why there must be a line?? to show a passport??? Is there a line between red and blue in purple??? or between white and black in gray??? Or must the line be there to practice our brain??? I'll just post and see when it's moved...... the movers need a job too ;0)