ok..sorry..wrong page..;) I'm lazy, I do a lot of this stuff in Wings..;) Usually, if you're in wireframe view, and you click on an object, you get a series of controls next to it..E and M are there, even on lights..go with what they told ya..they don't call me Pakled for nothin'..;)

I wish I'd said that.. The Staircase Wit

anahl nathrak uth vas betude doth yel dyenvey..;)