eek.. technically you can't put it in the space opera challenge anymore because you've already posted it. works there have to be started from scratch, or at least not shown anywhere previous to posting them there. what you do with them afterwards doesn't matter. if you have your heart set out for it, delete the graphic, enter the CGTalk challenge first, make a few sketches of what you want, then come here and enter the speed one with a rough draft of what you have there. nudge nudge wink wink