okay I wasn't very clear. Sorry. here's the real issue: I want to render a QT movie with an alpha channel of a character and it's shadow(s). It seems Poser won't render the shadow unless the ground prop is visible. But I don't want the ground prop to show up in the final render, just the shadow. The only work around so far is to render the scene "current display settings" and I get the poser default shadow that is edgy and flat, not to mention doesn't follow the lighting. And I don't get the higher quality render firefly offers... A lot of people offer tutorials for creating 2d shadows in photoshop for still images from poser, but that option doesn't work for me because of the motion involved. I am trying to do 300 - 400 frames at a time with lots of motion, so I really need to be able to have the shadow poser can render, just not the ground plate.