character studio is a lot of work the first few times now I can get a figure working in less than half an hour (without any morph targets) so yeah, it's still a fair bit of work to get it converted so you can start playing with max. In my opinion it's worth it (but I only tend to use one or two characters) I haven't used the full version of maximum pose, but if that's what you need, I'd go for it, saves a lot of work =) aren't we lucky to have people like poser putting out the software that we need =) now I've just gotta convince him to give me a free version grin (well, I can wish) SewerRat