OK, Bloodsong, you got my attention now... it wasn't the chopsticks though. Honestly, you'll need something with a bit more mass than THAT to take me out. :P Allright, does you ocean wave/scene/thingie represent a tangible challenge, or would it be more like a subjective thing? You know, like in the Rhino forum there's a definite, goal, more or less, and the results are not open to much interpretation. But, I know you know what yer doin', so i say, "Bring it on!" Be the harbinger of our new Vue challenge! And take the "pressure' off of me at the same time. :P I figure if it's something YOU haven't yet mastered, it's GOT to be fairly difficult! So, let's see what your talking about, but you HAVE to either post a link to a picture of it, or allow me to do so, so those with the image viewing problem can see too. :) Or is this a material? (Better yet, is this something I should already know about? :?) So, here we go... I'm putting the proverbial foot down; The "official" theme is to do this esoteric ocean thingie, so now we need details. :P and, whoever comes up with the Best Ocean Thingie, wins a million dollars!!!!!!! Cheers! Mike *million dollar prize offer will not be honored ;)