I'm for the guidelines. I think a final "ruling" (maybe not the right word) needs to be made one way or the other and this issue put to bed. Saw what Keith wrote in the thread above and I think it's food for thought... IMO, Too much of this forum's space is used to vent the frustrations of a few people who seem to thrive on controversy and not enough space spent on threads trying to cajole Keith into showing us all how to make spheres and Toby to clue us in on the nuances of iteration coloring in UF. Or MAYBE even talking Mike P.(melancon) into divulging his ultra-secret, super-duper flame rendering technique! - lol. Rick