ya, me too!! erm, what Rick and Kansas said. Basically I am for guidelines but like Gunsan, I think Andreas has some wise words up there. My idea of fractal focus certainly includes work such as Longriders, and others who combine items... The whole image except for insignificant (sorry, don't mean that in a harsh way) poser figures are fractal. It is clear to see the fractal in the image and that it was the impetus and muse for the image. Nick, Barbara, thank you for letting everyone explore their feelings on this subject so very thoroughly. Lets hope that as each one says their piece they then let it sleep.