I don't have C4 yet, due to funds. But from what I have seen of the demos, the selection tools are vastly improved, as is the Terrain Modeler. But keep in mind that even though these are improved, I don't see them taking the place of a dedicated Landscape app like Vue or Bryce. These apps offer dedicated functions and a different way of doing 3D images. Carrara is more of a General Purpose 3D app. So what's my point anyway? I guess I would like to see an honest to goodness comparison between Carrara 4 and Carrara 3, not Vue vs. C4, as that is like comparing apples to oranges... Paul