Don't you all forget. Any figure you can buy from Zygote for Poser, Zygote also makes versions for other populkar 3D software. Poser was secondary when they started doing this. In potherworks The Poser Posette and the Poser dork did not come first but were around and in use by other programs before they were used in Poser. And I think Viewpoint datalabs actually made the characters as they have a CD out with figures that look exactly like the default people that come with Poser. Or Zygote could have made them for Viewpoint. But I doubt it. JanP Janp