Hmmm...how could I missed such an interesting subject. Post production?....oh yeah!...its great. Nothing can ever be perfect without it. I have yet to see any image created by any 3D program by itself to be considered perfect or accurate...I consider nice with a few "buts". I do not understand some "purist" and they have to tell everyone "Vue, Bryce blah, blah...only". What does that really mean? I valid what Varian have said and yes, use what is available and the final image matters. As for E-on requirement, like what Varian said, its a requirement for them to tell how much Vue can do and post production is out. Too bad that the image displayed are so small that it is hard to fault. Looking at the images I find that comes with Vue tutorial from E-on, I can fault the errors but if that is all that is so good that Vue can produce, its excellent but does not mean its all accurate. There is a lot of things that post production can do to an image that Vue can't. I am using Vue as only a supporting tool, the main basis of it to my images but never the final. Most of my Vue render work qualifies for "Vue only" but it has never satisfied me. I have nothing against Vue purist but what I am say here is that, if the artist that does it with Vue only, as long as he/she is happy with it...its all art to them. But if it ever posted for comments and ever get a few "buts"...they have to understand and never be offended by those that uses post production. In summary, I always do post production and its an art by itself and not as easy as when its finished. One question to all...if you take a poser model and texture the template with a paint program....all ready to be imported into Vue and be "picture Mapped" renedered in Vue, is this "Vue Only"? I would if only the mest is imported and all elese is procedural mapped. I have upload an WIP image for example...and this is purely "Vue Only". All texture map you see on the Trex is procedural, so is the terrain and vegetation. Again, to each his own...post production or not, its the final image that sells! Btw, this image has a post production version which is much mor convincing. See next upload post. Bill Tesign