so your saying that only dutch people use it? i DO have it, but i dont like it! terrible rendering, terrible texturing. Camera can only be controled (well) by keyboard... Its not worth giving a price, just keep it as freeware, so you can get 2 know the basics. i'd say Wings3d is way better! it doesnt have render-abillity's (read: very weak render abillity's) but it gets your trough the day! CZ