Bones and morphs were written by Eovia. . . they hold the source, so they can do what they want. ;-) Not exposed to us plugin guys is what I meant. Maybe there is another way around it? Yeah, Agrooves works somewhat- it doesn't give you quite the degree of control and simplicity that the greeble plugin does- mostly in the iterative nature of greeble. If you had it in the VM, it would be easy to create shading domains as you go, so that streets, walls, roofs, etc were all shaded differently. Markd