hehe, thanks... I have used CS2 for rendering for a couple of years now, and have modeled with subd, within several other solutions for same period of time... just never really utilized Carrara for said modeling... here's a sample of a scene I am working on, utilizing Carrara for texturing and rendering... I mean it isn't nearly as good as some stuff I have seen done up by so many Carrara user's , but hey, we are having some fun eh :)