Bloodsong, that's gorgeous, really. I've been doing the opposite, and concentrating on the rays and the sun, since atmospheres are still a weak point for me. I have had a little success so far, but I probably won't want to show anything until close to "deadline" time. I'n completely at a loss as to how to go about doing the clouds, though. Varian, just hang in there, man...I'm gonna throw together a quick little "project" page to put these pictures on, assuming no one has a problem with that. Hopefully that will be done later today, or tonight. I suppose I should have been thinking ahead and have done it already. :P by the way, Varian, even though all you see is an icon, what happens if you click on the picture and choose, "save picture as"? Will it download the icon or the picture? Also, thanks for the tip about jpeg-ing. I tried to save a jpg once out of Vue, after already having saved it as .bmp, and I had simply chosen it from the drop down, and then was asked if I wanted to overwrite. I just figured that feature didn't work or had a bug. Cheers, Mike