That's good news. Thanks for all the feedback picnic. One last question. Can Vic.s textures be used on P4? I seem to remember seeing something about remapping the P4 some place, maybe even there. I'll have to double check. I've been there a few times. I like the comic sight and renderosity better. I'm not ready to form my own character yet and like seeing what effects morphs already included in custom character have. I like the Hulk morph by ? and most of the characters at Succubus Nation. I'm interested in creating a comic. I really can't get over the realistic look in other models though and hope to apply it to unrealistic body styles.