Just one further comment regarding 3DWorld and Poser. They held a competition some time back to create a prop in Poser which they would then distribute on the cd. They had literally hundreds of submissions. Next time you talk to the Editor at 3DWorld Mag, ask him what the most common poser submission is. His answer will most likely be the same as it was during that competition. Pornography. They had so many sex toys and bondage bits submitted they wondered what the hell they'd opened the flood gates to. They can't print most of the poser submissions they get, during the competition they couldn't distribute most of the items they got. I find that rather sad. That alone says far more about poser and it's users than anything else. Think about it. Poser users want respect, yet what is the single most common application of Poser?