Notice how all those comments said best LANDSCAPE renderer when comparing Vue to Bryce. Nothing to be pissed about since a whole lot of this forum pushes Bryce way beyond its simple Landscape proggy roots. That is what most of the uniformed press think Bryce is. People have been pushing Bryce way beyond the realms of a landscape program since early Bryce1 - LOL - that is how far behind the times the press is. All of the cheap shots against Bryce mention that Vue is the best 3d Scenery renderer, etc. Again, no worries - Bryce in our hands is way beyond a simple scenery program. Don't take any of that crap from the Vue site personally Rochr. People just don't get that Bryce is not just a program - it is a state of mind. Bryce has soul. No other program can match it for that. No other program makes you want to prove the impossible the way Bryce does. No other program feels this right and makes you WANT to play the way Bryce does. No other program has launched as many happy artists into the deep end of 3d. When I want to play I fire up Bryce. When I need to work I fire up high-end apps, but in the end I would rather be playing with Bryce ; ) Don't let the uniformed masses get you down. We know what Bryce is - and that is what really matters. Scott (Bryce user and lover since 1994).