heyas; speaking of lazy... put the http stuff in the 'link' slot below your message, so i can just click on it, instead of having to copy and paste it into my browser, wouldya!? ;D okay, i did a new sky today, a bit more logically. one step at a time. did the sun and light first, then the sky colours.... btw, isn't 'sun pulls down sky colours' supposed to make the sky colours form a ring around the sun? mine keep missing :/ then messed with clouds. here is a big hint: cirrus clouds! in the 'other clouds' there's a buncha coloured cirrus clouds. these are the red/orange ones. there's 3 or 4 layers of 'em. i still can't get them to clump when and where i want 'em too, but this is closer. oh, and atm in vue as an 'atm'osphere file. ;)