SeanMartin said: "The basic figures have so much potential that was never properly explored" Actually, they were used and explored extensively before Mike and Vicki came along. That's all we had to work with at one time, so everything was Posette and Dork. Some folks pushed them to an unbelievable level. And yes, with the right textures, even "Dork" can look good. I haven't used either of them in years. I work exclusively with the DAZ Millennium characters now. Melanie