DHolman - I refuse to belive that I wont make any mistakes, in fact I have found over the years that I've learned more from fixing my mistakes than I ever did from blind luck getting something right ;-) But that said I would like to avoid as many of the beginners "I've got a camera just look at the pictures I took!" well mistakes maybe too harsh a word, but I did that type of thing when I first discovered Poser and 3d rendering it's what I call my Plastic People period. And I'd like to keep that sort of thing to as short a time as I can possibly manage, if only for the sake of everyone I'll be showing the pictures to. ;-)