E.D. - Thanks. I agree on the lips. That is the best I could get so far. Earlier attempts to thin them out, etc., have not looked right. Esther - about the hair - do you know what style that is called? It would help when browsing the marketplace if I knew what hairstyle I was looking for. LOL So far the closest thing I have found is the ultimate changing ponytail at DAZ and that is not really the same. Maybe some one will make that hair. Or model and texture it and let me convert it to Poser.