Here's a thought; Make arrangements in the States with folks who don't use PayPal. We can purchase items as gifts for others, correct? Simply make arrangements with friends to reimburse them the cost of the item. You can send a snail mail, good old fashioned check, Rosity gets its money so it can't complain, the gift giver is reimbursed, and the real purchaser is happy. PayPal never enters into it. And very true, Mick. Simple point of tactics; We outnumber 'Them' by several hundred thousand to one. Businesses either make money or go out of business. If the users deprive them of their money (which they have absolutely no right to whatsover. People forget that you have to =earn= the cash, by providing services that please the majority of your customer base), they either change their ways or they go out of business...and a brighter competitor, who saw what happened, has the chance to make a killing. At our level it's simple; You no please the customer, you no get the customer's money. The only thing PayPal truly has going for it is instant gratification. There is nothing it does that a stamp and check can not do, and the latter keeps your credit info much more secure....