I'v seen some very very graphic violent scenes here in the galleries, This is only my opinion, and the mods may not agree-- but I'm going by what seems to have been allowed to stay up. Those pictures which are realistically violent but do not have that "twist" of deriving pleasure from the violence--humor, you understand, and satire are quite different--have validity beyond the subject matter. Violence that comes from a heart wrung situation and is true to the setting and not prurient seems to be allowed and is very very effective and not disgusting. The pictures I'm thinking of-- can't provide links at this time-- are two. One was by Traveler and depicted a woman in cyber extreme. We all knew because he explained it in the commentary that this was a way to work out interior pain. There was no titillation, only, well compassion and rightous horror for anyone hurting so badly. These are, in my opinon, good impulses to create in a viewer. Anothe picture used the wonderful but very graphic texture Bludgeon. It showed a warrior Vickie, wounded almost to death, reaching out for help. Amazing render, gave one the feeling of the toll fantasy violence took on the creatures we blithely throw into battle. Real battle scenes, realistically portrayed without purience. Thats where I would draw the line-- but I'm not a mod. And don't have the high speed DSL to be one. Torture can tend to titillate and create a sense of violence as sexually arousing-- not appropriate for Renderosity galleries. There are other places to post those works. Some battle or violent one on one scenes can give the same ambiguous effect. I'm trying not to be too opaque here. If it gives you a chubby, you gone too far. Emily