nope I haven't welded the two halfs yet. The other side of her face is mirrored. "referance" it's like modeling two sides at once it's a nice feature. :) Once she's done all i have to do is copy other half with the mirror feature then attatch them together and then weld the verts. :D I do this while still in low res model then i just do mesh smooth and then collapase the stack. Voila :D I am back to work on Kaimira today. see it's nice to have a small pitstop.XOXOXO I will post new screen shots and preview images. oh my LOLOL! ur right it's 2010000! woot! that's pretty sweet. Sera XOXOX