Yeah, yeah. Not to sound like an elitist, or alienate ANYONE... I didn't want to do this but... Rhinoceros, people. Rhino 3D. RHINO. Nobody cares about Flamingo or Penguin or Elephant, really. But Rhino rules, and now that I shelled out so much money for it, there's no way I'm stepping down to any pansy little FREE modelers. (Truth is, a jewelry customer of mine paid for Rhino as the first phase of a computer-generated jewelry company, it's not like I shelled out a penny for it myself! But don't tell anyone that, it'll make me seem cheap...!) Still, Bryce is my renderer of choice. It's clean and simple for me, and although I also use Lightwave, LW is not for making art but for making movies. I'd never even consider doing a still in LW, it would take ten times as long and be five times as tedious. I'll stick with my Bryce/Rhino/Poser/Photoshop apps for my imagery, thank you.