Opera; Yeah, Vue 5 is very much in the real world shake down mode. I got it mainly to experiment with the new lighting engine, and get a feel for the time penalties I'm looking at in using them. VuePro is definitely what I would recommend for animation purposes. It just does more... If you want an idea of what Vue 5 looks like in animation, hop over to Renderotica.com It's a free register site (and very much adult content). In the animation gallery, I have a fragment of a much larger animation that got munched by a power transient (next on the 'To Buy' list; battery backups for the entire garden), and put it up just as a show off of the new lighting capabilities. The quickie is in DivX-5, less than 300 frames, and uses Vue 5's Global Illumination and IBL mapped to the skydome (although not affecting the atmosphere); the image used was a tile.bmp in the Vue directory (a brick wall tile, so it was dark and complex). It was part of a 900 frame (648x486@30fps), and with the 5 node garden I have, it took somewhere in the region of 66hrs to render (the clip shown took 16hrs and a fraction). I'm probably going to start a render with the same scene using the Global Ambience setting this weekend, to get an idea of the render time with that lower setting...