LMAO! Now calm down son, you're choking on your Cheerios! Personally I don't give a rat's ass WHAT forums exist at Renderosity. I'm the most laid back sonofabitch you'll ever meet. I participated a few times in that forum and had a ball. I can also tell you shit used to get out of hand in there all the time. I didn't care, I laughed my ass off at it constantly. It made for great diversion. I'm thinking that Tim should change the name of this place to Renderosity - Home of the Angry, Angry, Pissed-Off Artist. You are aware that there are probably no less than 35,436 different forums on the Internet where non-PC people like you and I can gather and spend hours upon hours insulting each other over world politics, George Dumbya Bush and Jaysus, correct? I visit them all :)