Maybe there are good points like entry level softimage software coming out around the 300 mark - I know if I spend the next 3 years using softimage I wont feel I' ve wasted quite so much time as I do now with poser :( i wholeheartedly agree with this statement. all the posers started to look the same. p5 came out, and folks had alot of initial gripes. soooo, i bought a copy of lightwave instead. omg....the whole cg world has changed so much for the better. and, even though i no longer have a gallery full of poser renders i have a hard drive full of (almost finished :) models that i have made myself. if i should decide to pose my vicki for a gallery pic, why, she has furniture, rooms, dishes, lamps, and, even some unique clothing. oh, yeah, and some creatures to boot :) to me, poser is pretty dead. i got so tired of twisting dials, spending hours, and coming up with...dagnabby....a RENDER...that probably stayed on gallery page 1 about 10 minutes. Pop...Pop....Poppi!!!