E.B., Thanks for the link! Just on a whim I pulled in blMilWom_V3_V2.obj (V3's mesh) it took forever to load, but it pulled 7 fps... these rates are for static .obj's, once the anim stuff starts getting applied between every frame... I woulda posted a screen shot, but with no mtl file it looked like an alpha channel, just pure black and white. Gotta add default material code... I realize Poser meshes are copyright, I'm playing with caswoman and posette because I have them and they are colored (meaning they generate intresting mtl files) and look o.k. without textures applied. I'm not going to make and bone meshes for vaporware ;). If this project starts coming close to fruition there are several options for meshes; Mayadoll is free for use and redistro by individuals and group colaborations, licenses from CL, DAZ or other artists, rolling my own, etc.