Max to Operaguy: >> What do you use for post? Something like AfterEffects or Combustion can really be useful tools for "faking" a lot of things you might normally try to do in the render, and the results are just as good, if not better. << I have not gotten that far yet. (I use a little known and fantastic app for single-frame editing called Canvas by Deneba.) You make a good point about faking things. For one thing...painted backdrops and layered backdrops and you can import quicktime footage into Poser backgrounds (i bet you can do the same in Vue) and when things get really serious I will have to attack professional animation post. I've already discovered the trick of taking a freeze frame of background and not-speaking-or-moving-now character and using that as a backdrop for a one-character animation in front of it. This has its limits, but useful. Thanks for waking me up on that, Max. ::::: Opera :::::