I just ordered the Poser5 upgrade and B L Render's book from Curious Labs. Quite an experience ordering from them...they are armored-up against phone calls. Can't get through on any of four numbers I eeked out of the internet and phone company. To be fair, I did leave a phone message Friday when I was about to order, and a polite person DID call me back about 5 hours later, but I missed the call. Anyway, my order was placed early today, I paid for overnight shipping, and it said "in stock" as I was ordering. I tried to email them asking if it would indeed arrive tomorrow, but even their email is armored-up; I got a generic email with answers about "when will it ship" back, even though I had asked a particular question in my email. Anyway, hopefull it will arrive tomorrow. I'll pick up EJ and the two extra pacs and see what I can do with her. ::::: Opera :::::