@softriver Mirror Y rot = -8 x rot = 0 z rot = -3 xtran = -0.542 ytran = 0 ztran = 1.402 (all scale - if needed - 100%) Cupid y rot = 44 x & z = 0 xtran = -1.308 ytran = 0 ztran = -3.105 Yscale = 70% all other scale 100% Oh, error in comment about about paint bucket size 5, er, that should be pixelsize 5. Duh. So, is any of this DOF beginning to make sense to you. Except for my bit of crazy calculations, how Poser does the DOF does not make much sense to me or seem to resemble what I remember of real world camera settings.