Thanks peeps, this has just made me so happy 'cos I really didn't think I'd get anywhere with the quality of some of the Poser work that you see over there. I have a plan this year though to tie the tree, by all corners, to imovable objects and see if that will keep the tree upright. And I know you're right chohole, I just wish they could think, "oh that looks pretty," then leave the damn thing alone. lol 8) Catlin