Byrdie, just how do you guys mate, anyway. Is it in the nest or aloft? Can you render an animation? Last night I opened up the Poser5woman and applied the Eternal Judy package to her/it/him and then the Nikki texture. There are dials for the bits. I have not checked 'em out yet. Personally, I prefer the print ad carried for years on the sports pages of the L.A. Times for an impotency clinic. It just shows a woman reaching for her man and says: "Sex is Life." ::::: Opera :::::