Thanks gang! Hey, about that Saturn duanemoody, did you have Traction control on or off? I used to own one and I noticed that when I had traction control on and I had to go up an icy hill it was no good...but when you turn it off...they can shoot right up that hill because they are front wheel drive! (traction control basically takes the power away from the tires that are slipping and distributes it to the ones gripping...unfortunately if they are ALL slipping you end up with no power and going sideways down the hill!) :) As for a real one...I've been in talks with PAN.TECH (a division of PAN.WARE) and they claim that once they can get past the Consumer Reports people and the incident in which several people reportedly exploded while on these bikes (apparently some nuclear fallout was reported but what's a little radiation?) they will start mass production of these puppies! :) BTW - Charliebrown? One of the downloads will be various colored texture maps for this bike ;) Now off to Santa's workshop to finish up!!! Ho Ho HooooooooackcoughcoughchokesputterWHEEEEZZEEE...uggg.. PAN~